Islam's European Conquest: Is America Next?
By John Griffing (American Thinker)
"Islamic lands that were occupied by the enemies will once again become Islamic...We proclaim that we will conquer Rome, like Constantinople was conquered once, and as it will be conquered again."
Britain, birthplace of parliamentary democracy, has fallen to Islam. Oxford, once home to the likes of C.S. Lewis, now houses a giant Eastern Islamic Studies Center. If this were the only Islamic addition to Oxford, the mood would be less somber, but when Oxford citizens are forced to awake every morning to the Muslim call to prayer with the full consent of the Church of England, nothing short of conquest has taken place.
Britain's Muslim demographic is now so dominant that the British government recently began to allow Islamic civil and religious law, known as Sharia, to be enforced along side British law. But if religious tolerance is good, why is this a problem? Simple-this is not an issue of religious liberty. Islam is not designed to co-exist with western civilization. It is designed to conquer it.
Most would agree that Judeo-Christian values are consistent with Anglo-American tradition. Can the same be said of Islam? Even Muslims don't think so. The chief Justice of London's Sharia Court made this chilling statement:
If Sharia is implemented then you can turn this country into a haven of peace...Once a thief's hand is cut off, nobody is going to steal. Once an adulterer is stoned, nobody is going to commit this crime at all. This is why we say we want to offer it to British society.
Statements like this have not stopped prominent British figures from endorsing Sharia. The Archbishop of Canterbury, the Protestant equivalent of the Pope, called Sharia "unavoidable."(More...)
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Yep, Islam is all about conquering. While the entrenched left of Europe and Great Britain pave the way and kneel with accommodation, political correctness, and capitulation and the American left apes their example, the USA is still full of enough rational thinking people -- i.e. conservatives and true liberals in the old sense and definition of that word -- to resist incorporation of Islamic law into the culture at large and into our legal system.
Hmm, that sentence was a bit of a run-on. Oh well.
Thanks, Spotter. I hope your assessment is correct. I'm not so confident. I can imagine the great lib masses rolling over in the name of PC.
It is sneaking up on us. And that is dangerous.
But so are all religions.
This is utterly ridiculous. Sharia should be despised, not put up on a pedestal. Yes, Dark Spotter is correct. Islam is all about conquering. These Jihadists want to take over the entire world and force their views and using violence in order to have no opposition at all. They don't want to share the world with other religions but rather have their one religion rule the world.
I'm no religious zealot, but I can't universally condemn organizations of faith.
If my local Lutheran church starts spouting hatred of gays, women and Jews while organizing for the violent overthrow of the world, I may begin to feel uncomfortable.
Hello Nickie, As a confirmed secularist, coming from the opposite end of the political spectrum than you, I agree that Sharia law and all religious courts, including similar Jewish courts should have no role is settling disputes. Religion should have no special privilege or any role in publicly funded education or legal systems. But I fear you have overstated the role that these bodies have a wee bit. Sharia courts can act as an arbitration committee it doesn't circumvent UK law and those unhappy with it have recourse to the verdict have recourse to the courts.
Islam has been a subject of academic enquiry at British Universities since the late 19th century and the Oxford Centre for Islamic studies has been around since the mid 80s. Its' patron is that dangerous extremist and Islamic fundamentalist...Prince Charles. As for the building itself its no more unattractive than many of the recent buildings in historic city centres (considerably less hideous than some) Indo-Saracenic architecture has a lengthy history in the UK too.
If Christians can ring church bells at all sorts of ungodly hours (I having been rudely awakened by York Minister bells on more than one occasion) I can't see why the Mosque shouldn't either, just so long as both fall within noise regulations.
I don't see why any religious bodies should have rights over and above secular bodies nor is it the role of the state to pick and chose between religions.
Only 4% of Brits regularly attend COE services. Islam has the cultural/religious energy in Britain, filling the spiritual vacuum. They can't stop its advances. Nations grow old just like individuals.
"I can't see why the Mosque shouldn't either"
I believe you when you state that. My concern is that, should the day arrive when you or your neighbors finally discover why, your legal and governmental watchdogs may be powerless to assist you.
Rhod, subtract the clergy and you're hovering around 3%.
Nickie,
I have no problem with organizations of faith that promote peace and stand up for morality and a sense of ethics but Islam is used as a violent weapon against its Western enemies(meaning US). I know not all who practice Islam are violent but it seems these Jihadists have literally hijacked and perverted the religion for their warped causes.
Well the UK has always had historically low church attendance compared with the US. In fact the US is an anomaly amongst major developed countries in its' religiosity. The 4% figure is probably an indication of public life in the UK being more secular, issues like stem cell research or abortion don't tend to take have the religious dimension they appear to do in the states. The religious right certainly aren't considered a serious political lobby in the way they seem to be in the states.
A good thing too, in my mind, you'll probably disagree but hey..,
Islam like Judaism in the Uk lacks an umbrella organisation and a great deal of autonomy rests with the individual Imam or Rabbi. Thus on the fringes of both faiths you get extremists, a world away from say Sufism or Liberal Judism.
Part of the problem is that groups that claim to 'represent' British Muslims, are dominated by first generation migrants from the Indian Subcontinent, with values and outlook forged by 50s Pakistan. When the press want a comment about something they go to these groups and it gets extrapolated to 'this is what all Muslims think' by the media.
Movements like the PBM are advocating for things like more Britsh born, English speaking Imams, gender inequality, and a respect for secular institutions and greater interaction with the secular world.
Let's see, "turning a country into a haven of peace" by cutting off hands and stoning? You're right Nickie, "it don't make sense."
I must say to the "Dork Spotter," my friend, you certainly have infinitely more faith in our brethren the sheeple of the United States than do I. Sadly, it seems that the Left is all too willing to lay down their rights and those of the rest of us in the name of appeasement. Nickie, I too hope he's right because the instant Islam gets the advantage they will decimate us with a quickness the left cannot fathom. There will be no return of the P.C. "hospitality" they were once given. Obviously most of your readers believe it but I know so many people who are otherwise rational and are just too goddamn stupid to realize this. They won't even educate themselves because they're so left they're conditioned to believe that anything contrary to P.C. is just racism. It's ridiculous and I simply cannot wrap my mind around how such a thing occurs. Personally I'm not ruling out flight into the mountains someplace.
Normal folks with an IQ above 50 will only put up with this crap for so long.
Stories like this one shake us because they remind us of difficult decisions that, if not already made, are coming for us individually and ultimately as nations.
Catboy, I marvel at how you defend Islam while simultaneously braying on about how we shouldn't favor one religion over another. Why does the left feel the need to defend those who are waiting for just the right moment to enslave or kill you? And what has Islam contributed to Western culture? Since when did it become cool to cozy up to woman-hating, gay-bashing, anti-Semites? Face it: Most Muslims want to destroy Western culture. This is not debatable. Read the footnotes in the American Thinker piece for some chilling polls. Recall that most Saudis thought that 9/11 was done by the Israelis and/or CIA.
In America we recognize the right to have faith and to act upon that faith. We recognize that on this side of heaven we don't have all the answers. But as a general rule, many of us believe that there are truths to be discovered and that there is ultimately, Truth.
And many of us again realize this ... Christianity sets itself directly against the claims of Mohammed. One of them (at least) is wrong.
Sorry, Mammon, but not all religions are equal or true. Jesus didn't claim to be "a prophet",as the Koran states, or "a way"; he claimed to be "the way".
Yes, this is uncomfortable to our relativistic sensitivities, but it is inescapable if words have any meaning at all. Jesus or Mohammed? The claims of each invalidate the other.
Catboy correctly notes, too, how America is a spiritual anomaly among nations. And we who live here note that our culture becomes more and more imperiled as we drift from our judeo-christian roots. We can't see into heaven, but we can see the laboratory of beliefs acted upon.
Islam is not designed to co-exist with western civilization. It is designed to conquer it.
I do not understand why SO many people do not understand this! B.O. doesn't understand it. He thinks he can "talk" to the people. There's no talking to these people! And there will never be peace in the middle east because they don't WANT peace. why is this so hard for the left to understand?
@NG: OK, I'll clear it up - Everything in huge, forced amounts is not healthy. Banging yourself in the walls, floor etc. or spending 1/2 of your time on your knees in prayers is not natural.
And because of it we are the infidels, remember?! :)
Thank you, DC.
The final question is whether Europeans will Europeanize Islam or the other way round. There is no good reason for complacency or wishful thinking when the stakes are as high as the virtual replacement of one culture by another.
It isn't just religion being superseded; it's law, literature, art, government and a view of man's relationship to God and the state.
If most Brits are like Catboy, the Islamic deal is sealed. Islam is assertive, energetic and millenarian, qualities Christianity exhausted 100 years ago.
If Euro Muslims remain, in their own minds, as simply a diaspora displaced from their holy land and sites in other parts of the globe, then the entire spurious Euro Zone ideas of comity and shared culture is doomed.
Some cultures just disappear through inanition rather than conquest. That's the road Europe is on.
...I also don't think it will happen in the US. Whatever one's views on illegal immigration, the migrations here are, by numbers, of people of the Christina Western world. We might be Latinized in 50 years, but not Islamized.
Rhod and DC,
I believe that if Britain is complacent and they let Muslims take over Britain with the threat of force or actual force, then Britain will become a Muslim state. After that happens then I believe Britain would have complete chaos.
I don't think that the U.S. has to worry nearly as much about this occurring. American is a Christian nation with more people practicing and willing to stand up for their beliefs. Freedom of religion is a right afforded to Americans in the Constitution, and that is also a plus for the Unites States.
I like to be an optimist, but it's hard to see Europe mustering the will necessary to mount a successful fight.
And with your excellent points, Rhod, we await the retort of Catboy, who is no doubt searching for Ye Olden Queen's English Thesaurus, as we speak.
Teresa, I agree with you re: America, but our challenges are going to be different, I think. I would quibble with you that America is a "Christian" nation today, as no less than Thomas Jefferson once described it. There are many professing Christians here and Christian beliefs are imbedded deeply in the culture in many parts of the nation still, but the predominant worldview in America today is probably secularism, of one form or another. This saddens me. Our great challenge is found in the post-modern left, which weakens the nation's morale and resolve to fight all enemies, foreign and domestic.
But I like your spirit, and I do agree that America will remain be one of the great outposts -- if not the outpost -- of freedom, protecting the right of people of goodwill to practice their faith and follow the dictates of their conscience.
DC,
I do agree with you that Christianity with the U.S. has been weakened by the post-modern left. They have taken God and morality out of our public schools and threaten our fundamental Christian beliefs as we know it. Over the years, They have changed how people view Christianity and maligned it as well. That is why we cannot let Liberals infiltrate and take over our health care also.
Teresa: Preach it, sister.
Face it: Most Muslims want to destroy Western culture. This is not debatable.
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Err yes it is. "Not debatable" is the classic retort when you have something that you know you're on shaky ground and can't back up a statement with facts.
My position is quite consistent. I'm quite happy for people to believe in any sort of superstition or woo-woo they like, be it Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Little green men in the moon or UFOs, I feel it is a wholly personal matter and should play know role in political, judicial or educational. Religious of whatever stripe is not a 'special case' Therefore those who use their religion as a blanket for racism, homophobia, misogyny are just using religion as a figleaf for their own prejudice.
Good points DC - if the post modern archbishop of Canterbury's craven cave in to TROP is anything to go by, the UK's in a lot of trouble. Perhaps people are beginning to wake up to that; they might start by reading the Koran...
Teresa - why is it that the predominantly christian US has allowed secularists to hijack the education of our children? I'm puzzled by that...
The Archbishop of Canterbury's intervention is made in the context of trying to get special treatment in the eyes of the law for Christians allowing Christian organisations to opt out of all sorts of legislation. He just wasn't particularly savvy about it, the press gleefully seized upon his remarks about Sharia law.
LSP,
Well, once prayer and God were banned from schools and Liberals and their unions hijacked the schools with their influence over the students then unfortunately everything went south
from then on...
Conservatives did try and fight this in the courts but unfortunately we had some liberal active justices, not abiding by the Constitution, on the Supreme Court. Now conservatives home school their kids or send them to private schools to be able to embed morals into their knowledge and being as a person.
I, for one, have banished any sentimental attachment I had for the UK. That, along with the simple fact that Britain is of no long-term importance to America in any sense, and their role in the strange wars we're in, is overestimated. I really don't caree.
Thirty years from now, North America will be more populous, more dynamic, more prosperous and more powerful that Europe.
Anglophilia, for me, was an atavistic survival of my generation's learning and ethnic mix...the big incidents of the last century involved English-speaking peoples in big joint missions, which disguised our real differences.
I suspect the Brits are today more like Europeans (and this is a generalization). They trust the state, are less likely than Americans to assert themselves against it, and accept that big changes are beyond their control.
History happens to them, period. They've striven to suppress and bury the nationalist impulses that sundered them time and again, and today they can't recognize a threat when there IS one, or they rationalize them away. Too bad, because a lot of wonderful people are just along for the ride.
There are just so many things in life to care about; for me Britain isn't among them.
Catboy,
If it's debateable, then debate it. Cite one shred of credible evidence that a majority of Muslims worldwide want Western Culture to survive.
Sure there are exceptions, and we can talk about who they are, what they believe, and perhaps see a way forward for Islam. But these are facts, Catboy. I can cite you polls about what the Saudis think about Israel, 9/11, what Muslims believe about not only the right of Jews to exist, but their humanity.
This is more than a fig leaf there. I would submit we see a common root.
LSP makes a great point. Catboy, name one major Muslim group who has denounced violent jihad. Again, leaves come from trees. Avert your eyes if you must. Jihadis will still try to cut your throat.
Dillinger737, I have to agree with you, with the apathy, State run Media,left wing morons who all they want to do like our President,be politically correct and appease the masses.They don't realize the threat this Country faces and that the only thing these Islamic Fascist understand is death.The only way to deal with them is on their turf in their Countrys and kill them all, if we don't, they will be here to kill all of us,they don't give a shit about political correctness.
These people are very patient and methodical, they are coming in very slowly thru the back door.
Don't the Koran and Hadith endorse 'violent jihadism'? All that carry on about 'The House of War' isn't symbolic. No wonder, then, that orthodox Islam fails to condemn the jihad.
Thanks Catboy for the Rowan context reminder, as you say, savvy wasn't in it.
As a woman, I refuse to EVER live under Sharia law. I will move to Antarctica if need be.
Women in Islamic societies are chattel (property).
In western societies there are inequalities, of course. But a woman can live on her own if need be. She can gain employment as something other than a prostitute. She can drive a car and go places by herself. She can run for political office. She can become wealthy in her own right.
As for religions, any religion that does not allow people to quit is no religion. It is a cult.
Western for me, baby!
I wouldn't bother with this argument. Rhiney is cool about it, and it isn't our problem in any case.
We'll know within 20 years or so whether radical Islam in Britain is just a fringe element similar to Irish nationalism, or something ominous.
It won't take much longer.
Well Rhod, this is turning into a circular argument, you keep spouting bonkers right wing conspiracy theories to you mates on here, who will doubtlessly slaver and nod, stoking the fires of mutual madnesses. I tell you you're wrong. Unlike you I actually live in Britain, whereas the majority of people's views are filtered 2nd and 3rd hand. I'd venture that the majority of people posting on here have never left the US.
50 years ago old son you'd have been an enthusiastic McCarthyite, seeking out folk devils and looking for the 'red menace' where it doesn't exist
Oh, you're probably right, Rhod but what the heck ... more later
Rhiney, you're a dishonest lefty crank. None of the delusisonal ravings in your last comment connect to anything I've said in this post. Nothing...all your gas comes from the little swamp in your head and the feasts of lefty treacle you've gobbled down your entire life.
What apparently jerked your sequined leash is that I said Britain doesn't matter, hence you don't matter either. You don't.
I don't care what happens in your country. Considering that clowns like you count as an opinion-maker, the sooner some energetic, imaginative incomer can light the cultural fires, the better.
Kiss off, you boring, predictable climber. And I thought you were the product of a meritocracy.
Jeez, I step out for a Lime Rickey, and look what happens.
If I didn't get to read the comments for free, I'd be happy to pay admission. It ain't often I get to witness intercontinental polysyllabic disagreements. This was wonderful.
My favorite bit was CatBox citing the patronage of the Duke of Cornwall. I laughed out loud.
DC, Rhod, all of you... you knock me out! Stand down.
@NG: How DARE you step out for a meal! You HAVE to be glued to the k board! :)))
On a much serious note - from all I've read so far in here, it looks like there are fanatics on both sides... That's why I believe in Science! ;)
Nickie... Did you ever consider running for Office?! I'll be ecstatic to have someone like you to represent me.
Sorry Nick.
The McCarthy thing was a squeal too far.
It begs the question - which is worse? A country with a man who saw commie traitors under every rock, or a country that HAD commie traitors under every rock (Philby, Burgess, Blount).
Delete my comments.
Nickie, please don't delete Rhod's comments. They are pure gold.
Rhod, I saw red, too, at the McCarthy stuff. You are representing more than yourself when you strike out, sometimes. Remember, Nickie does not want me lowering myself to their level, so I need your help in these matters.
Opie, stay well above my level. It's too late for me; save yourself and tell my mom and my dog Comet I love them.
Out.
Man ...
I launched a missile just north of Rhod's position and apparently it didn't get out of the tube. Oh, well ...
Maybe it's a post. I don't know.
But it began with something like ... Lib British Muslims is not a major Muslim group.
And Rhod, Opie's point is a good one, and it's why I was turning around to say some more. Sometimes we need to say what we do because others need to hear it. As always, I listen very closely when you speak ... and I learn.
Mammon, to call it a meal is generous. Just 'cause it's "on the rocks" doesn't make it substantial.
Rhod, I'm not a big fan of abortion, but I understand the arguments on both sides.
Murder? The destruction of a living and dynamic person, idea, or work work of art is one of the highest crimes. I'd rather not flush your poetry.
Opie, he's like Van Gogh. DC needs to kick the razor from his grip.
DC... Can you even imagine the levels of twisted logic, white superiority, and surrendered independence required to produce folks like CatBox/PW?
Is there no level below their stoopery?
Religous hypocrites is what makes so many people turned of to religion.
Before an impending fight I always put The Cowsills on the box. Their version of "Hair" really pisses me off. It's my "Rocky" theme.
After the fight, it's The Left Banke or The Lemon Pipers. Comin' down, Mama, get me a Snickers.
Mammon:
Not surprisingly, I disagree. If hypocrisy turns people off, then does honest evil turn them on?
The old saw about hypocrisy being the tribute that vice pays to virtue is true, I think.
The only way to eliminate hypocrisy, or the asymmetry between the standard and the conduct, is to remove the standard.
A world without hypocrites would be pretty nasty.
Just sayin'...no offense meant.
Rhod, I never before thought of hypocrisy as a good thing. Your explanation makes perfect sense. You have changed my view on this. Better hypocrisy than nobody strives to meet the ideal. Also our children need guidelines. Not that they will always live up to them, but a free for all lifestyle will be destructive to their lives.
Rhod and Opie I totally agree. It seems to me Libs want people who ascribe to morality to be "perfect." Well, that can't be. No person is perfect. We strive to live by the values and morality that we ascribe to but unfortunately, sometimes we fall off the beaten path. If hypocrisy is striving to live by ideals and certain standards instead of accepting moral relativity, and making mistakes along the path of life, then I'll be proud to call myself a hypocrite.
@Rhod: You can't offend me because you are not a hypocrat. :)
One of the best thing about this blog is that we all can have a discusion.
Opie, I don't think Mammon made a moral mistake, because I think what he's referring to is sanctimony more than hypocrisy.
My generation raised moral obfuscation to an art form, using the language so freely that they/we were only speaking to each other in symbols.
Hypocrisy, as understood by us, was the final offense in a crappy bourgeois existence when we had no codes at all. We upheld no standards and praised ourselves for not being hypocrites.
The BS generation. You escaped from it, and it probably wasn't easy.
Thanks very much, Mammon. By the way, when it came to God or mammon, I always chose mammon. Now I'm no so sure....heh.
Mammon, my church is full of hypocrites ... including me. We are all right at home.
Great discussion, all.
Rhod, I was raised by that generation. And no, it was not easy.
@Rhod: As you can see English is not my native tongue, and sometimes it's hard to express exactly what I think.
But there is something that makes grammar easy - the fact that I see life in 2 colors - black and white. I don't recognize the shade of gray.
Therefore if you are hypocrite and go to church 4 times a week this wont make you more lovable by God or forgive the fact that when you are not in church you are actually and ass!
And if you know mammon you might know what the picture of my avatar means. ;)
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