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July 2, 2010

Intellectually and spiritually curious? Maybe this will be enjoyable. If this offends you, skip it, and then go off and have a warm and wonderful 4th.


I only post this because you all mean so much to me.
It's Tim Keller speaking at UC Berkeley. Yes, BERKELEY!

A Conversation with Tim Keller: Belief in an Age of Skepticism? from The Veritas Forum on Vimeo.

23 comments:

Woodsterman (Odie) said...

Did I set a record? I lasted one minute and thirty four seconds.

The_Kid said...

To my mind, most religions I've come across "tell you" that unless you're a member of their religion, you cannot be saved. You will not receive the eternal reward. For this reason, I just don't get too close to organized religions. Though I do believe they can be of great benefit to people who need to believe that a supernatural power is watching out for them and that there is actually an eternal reward.

Maybe there is a pure religion. If there is I don't think anyone in the modern world has encountered it.

Religions that have a message of tolerance get my vote by far.
Islam is at the bottom of the list of course.

Here is what will solve the problem of violence caused by people's absolute belief that theirs is the only one true religion.

Tolerance. Religious people understanding that it is not for them to judge others or to try to keep others from making 'mistakes'. If they believe God will judge everyone, then they absolutely have no business trying to do so as individuals or as a group. And they above all should understand that. (Crime - especially violent crime- excepted. Those evil suckers need to be dealt with)

So, religious people need to accept that people have any myriad of some other faith or no faith. And when they meet thos folks, treat them with the same respect they yearn for themselves.

Atheists need to be tolerant about people who believe. If everyone was an atheist, we'd have a LOT more crime.

Tolerance.

Never happen. People don't tolerate anything. People will kill you to get through a Yellow, I mean Red light. Or cut you off by turning left from the right hand lane so they don't have to drive up the road another 500 feet and make a U turn.

Let's face it, we don't like being around each other generally speaking. We're honestly little more than warring ant colonies, taking over the colony down the road because we find them objectionable, or because we need to move to a place of sufficient resources. Generally speaking of course Monsieur.

The_Kid said...

Odie. I went a minute and 35. But I started around the 2.12 mark.

Soloman said...

I made it to 1:32, and I'm done.

Nickie... I'm saddened that you removed me from the "New Pamphleteers."

I needed a break and lost twenty pounds in the process, so at least I gained that in return, while I was away for a few weeks.

Anyway.. thought I'd drop in and say hello. Hope you're well.

Wetzy said...

You wimps. I made it almost 40 minutes. I was eating pizza and watching.

Anonymous said...

I enjoyed it.

Anonymous said...

Sol... I thought you had disappeared. I am proud to add you back into the pamphleteer army.

Anonymous said...

Woody... that apnea-narcolepsy combo can be deadly.

Anonymous said...

Kid... astute and well-crafted opinion, as usual. I'm proud to have you posting here.

Anonymous said...

Wetzy... If it was anchovy, I am impressed.

Anonymous said...

Zio... Grazie.

Anonymous said...

Well ... I think Kid is right in a lot of what he says. And Kid, you make the case for grace. It's been a journey ... one I am still on.

Nick, I listened to it all. It did not disappoint. Wow. A gracious exposition of truth. Thanks.

They Say/We Say said...

I really don't see anyone not able to sit through the entirety of his simple talk for the rational thinkers in the audience, especially when he caught the philosophers flatfooted with the butterfly and the I think I am phenomenological egocentricity sitting for amusement. This at Berkley no less? I think that is what I caught.
But this is one of the best milk and honey presentations to the Faith of Yahushua I've heard, as I listen to more claims as to the self proclaiming drawing the numbers of a congregation rating grabbers-which are more of a motivational speakers than serving milk and honey for the wanting to be fed something of substance, that most everyone desires.
The question and answer part was also very good.
Keller did admit to the atheist, was very good asking his follow up questions.
But the teacher left out the 1,000 yr. reign as the determining factor, who goes to hell, other than those who he described as choosing hell than to be ruled by Yahuah-in their mind.
Goomba news network delivers once again.

Anonymous said...

I'm at 11:50 and still watching. This is outstanding Nickie.

Anonymous said...

I made it through the whole thing!

The_Kid said...

DC, Nickie, Thank you.

As I am happy to have your influence.

Starsplash said...

Thank you Nickie. I am going to embed this in my own site to watch often as I will.

Anonymous said...

TS/WS... Thanks. It is pretty good stuff.

Anonymous said...

Tres... You make me proud.

Anonymous said...

Splash, his books are even better than the video.

Teresa said...

This was great! This was very interesting. I watched the whole thing.

Being a member of an organized religion can be extremely helpful for individuals/couples/families since being part of a particular community can help you in both good times and bad times. Its good to have a moral foundation and rules to abide by instead of making your rules up as you go along. The rules help you to keep your commitment to God. It helps you avoid falling into the moral relativism trap. I think tolerance is good but having moral conviction and obedience to one's own faith is very important also. Tolerance in some respects kinda sounds like a liberal thing.

Thanks for posting this Nickie.

The_Kid said...

To clarify, when I say tolerance, I'm only talking about non-criminal activities.
Criminal defined as someone infringing on another person in any way.

Woodsterman (Odie) said...

Nickie, WTF !