I'm bumping this post back up the list because of the quality of the comments. Please feel free to add your opinion. This thread is excellent reading.
Who is this man?He's Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel.
What's his job title?
He is the top healthcare adviser at Obama's Budget Office.
What policies does he promote?
In his speech to the American Medical Association, President Obama said what White House health advisor Ezekiel Emanuel and Office of Management and Budget Director Peter Orszag have said in print some time ago. The only way to control health care costs is to get doctors to provide less care — fewer tests, fewer procedures, fewer everything.
Dr Emanuel wrote an entire article on this subject in the Lancet on January 31, 2009. Emanuel advocated allocating health resources in order to maximize collective life years. Suppose a 25-year-old and a 65-year-old have a life threatening disease. Since the 25-year-old has many more potential years of life ahead of him, he should receive preferential treatment, says Emanuel.
In a different article written for the Hastings Center Report, Emanuel said health services should not be guaranteed to "individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens." He continues, "An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia."What does this mean?
It means that Obamacare will be a virtual death camp for the elderly, the mentally ill, and the very young. "Dr." Emanuel wants to care for the economic health of the state, not tend to needs of people. His goal is to cut costs. (Obama calls that "making difficult decisions.") Emanuel wants to trim the high price of health care by literally eliminating people who are a drag on the system, like the elderly.
How can Democrat Senators and Congressmen support this kind of health care?
They and their families are exempt from Obamacare.
Hat tip to John Goodman's Health Policy Blog
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The Emanuels are a very dark family. The people Obama has relied on to influence this point to death. Zeke calls for an expanded hospice system, so you can go off and die without costing the government much.
I know that Libs are not that concerned about saving tax dollars, so I'm thinking their primary motivation is the fun of neglecting people to death.
Or maybe the illegitimate son of Dr. Mengele.
Who would have ever thought we'd put such people in charge?
Dr. Dave, Mengele was the name that came to my mind as well. A society must be judged by how it treats its most vulnerable citizens. They are trying to bring barbarism and cruelty into our country as policy.
Zeke Death is what you get when science hooks up with utilitarianism. It isn't just insane liberalism either, conservatives are walking this line too.
Yep, you are spot on this one. Obamacare would not be a blessing for the elderly, but a prayer over the grave. The social planners do have a way to cut back on some medical care expenses--just cut the throats of the old folks. Nazis's nothing these guys are worse far worse.
Just posted a little question or two over my place on the general topic of which of these did the forefathers of these guys operate for in Europe.
CHEKA? OGPU? GESTAPO? etc.
It needs to be asked.
Heads up.
Sounds like those individuals on the "fishy" list will get free "end of life" counseling from an obamacrat.
That's a brilliant point, Rhod. When the right abandons standards, lines that we won't cross regardless of the circumstances, when confronted with economics and science, we are led down the same path as the left.
This entire debate is a wake-up call.
Are we still a nation that holds "these truths to be self-evident" or not?
Incoming, it goes back even farther. It's the herd instinct to sacrifice the weak and old members to the predator while the strong and young run away.
It seems that even Neanderthals and Cro Magnons cared for the weakest of their clans, so ObamaCare is at the moral level of wildebeasts and razorback pigs.
DC, in my present condition, I'd be on the discard manifest under ObamaCare.
I can accept the moral imperative, but that's because I accept it, not because the tribe is forcing it on me.
There is no collective morality, only individual morality.
That was a goodie!
Rude and Arrogant Ass, now there's a pseudonym.
Exactly, Rhod, and ironically ... National (as opposed to collective) morality springs from the individual. The founders signed off on self-evident truths of their own free will and at their own peril. Most suffered dearly for announcing their American creed.
Ultimately, such individual decisions to adhere to standards beyond human convenience and changing circumstances is what caused both de Tocqueville and Washington to remark on the remarkable national morality of America.
We can try as we wish (and will), but we are called to a higher standard. All of us fall short daily, but to give up on standards beyond ourselves is ultimately to commit individual and then national suicide (will this be covered in the bill?)
Of course, settling the question that there should be a moral standard addresses one question, but raises others. The jihadis have a standard, after all. But that is a discussion for another day.
We go to a nursing home every Sunday morning to provide chapel services for the very people the Emanuels would forsake for those more "deserving" of health care.
I can't tell you what a blessing these wonderful people are to us. They minister far more to us, teach us far more by their attitudes and graciousness than we could ever hope to minister and teach them. Give me ONE of them over a thousand Emanuels and Obamas anyday.
I still wonder how this happened and WHY those people got into the WH...
Mammon,
They got there because a lot of conservatives and Repubs were understandably troubled by the direction of things and then took that legitimate concern and made the argument ...
"So what ... it can't get any worse. There's not a 'dime's worth of difference'. And any way, we'll teach the country a lesson in the meantime, b/c we know best."
Because of such utter nonsense (along with the ineptitude of the McC campaign, as well, which was afraid or unable to articulate how stark the difference would be), we are now fighting for our liberty. Hopefully, we will make it. But ... if we don't what a grand lesson we will have learned.
We'll be smarter, less free, poorer, and we'll die younger. Great. Thanks for the lesson.
George Bush is looking pretty good right now.
Rhod's science/utilitarianism point is right on the money - as are all things Mengele.
Get rid of 'value' and guess what, people start to die... the zekians have to go.
Right, it is about values, about metaphysics.
This is a materialistic epoch, not in the acquisitive sense, but in the nearly universal belief that all human issues can be reduced to some aspect of matter.
Blame it on Marxism, or Hobbse, or the early and late Progressives, there are plenty of villains, including some conservative pundits who stretch the principles of free markets and "rugged individualism" to the breaking point.
Liberalism today is the endless search for the next human need, to be satisfied by more and better education, more health; more preventative regulation, more conformity - the entire range of superstitions about human contentment.
You can't think this way for very long before you start ghetto-izing certain classes of people who don't fit into the utopian model, and who must be removed.
Liberalism is amorphous. It can adapt itself to anything in the name of the greater good, even wickedness.
I think you're right; of course anyone who's against materialist utopianism is against the 'good' of the people - is a fascist - and should be destroyed.
Ironic at best that the reductionists end up reducing themselves, often in the most literal way.
Zeke et al. demonstrate the point neatly, but will people wake up and reclaim the metaphysical forum?
I don't think the "people" will, LSP, because it's an individual pursuit, and there aren't many individuals left.
Dave, such people have always been in, or just on the threshold of, power.
Ope, like any modern society, the is always a degree of barbarism and cruelty. Now we're going to make it policy.
Rhod, it certainly has caught the imagination of many enlightened European states.
Ron, they're worse because they don't even have a strong economic argument for rationing. It's emotional logic leading to misguided emotional conclusions.
And, of course, there are always the evil ones.
Thanks, Incoming. I'll be over.
Frances, I share your beliefs. Our aging population is a treasure to be nurtured and utilized, not squandered.
Mammon...
because a whole lot of people lost interest in the process. The Dems and Lefties had made them feel badly about themselves. Republican voters wanted a new era to cleanse away all the bad feelings.
Well, more than bad feelings are being swept away.
LSP, Rhod and DC,
I agree with you collective brilliant arguments, but my question is: What was the turning point from individualism to collectivism?
Was it a trend, an event, or a slow erosion? What circumstances will allow for the rebirth of the individual?
Nickie, I will take a stab at that, if I may. The turning point was when the left took over the public schools.
I ask myself still, why did the CA teachers association give 1 MILLION DOLLARS to fight prop 8 last year.
Why is it a cliche to talk about liberal professors in college. Where are the conservative ones. Where are the moderates. Why are they talking politics with our kids at all.
Bezmenov said it. You need to take over the schools. So to reverse it, it goes to follow that we need to take the schools back. That way the next generation emerging will not fall into the Obama-style trap that this group of youths did.
Ooops. Don't forget the journalism schools. What's up with that!!! Ethics, anyone?
We can't be sure of anything, yet, Nickie, but cultural entropy might be working itself out with more disorder and chaos.
Wishing for disorder and chaos a long time ago, I recognize the excitement in myself again...so this might just be me.
The thing the Donk despots have to fear the most is a flashpoint, a Kent State or a police/union/thug/Pelosi-Durbin-Reid-Obama convulsion of slobbering evil so obvious as to reveal the rot at the center of the system.
We're past rational debate when the President himself is calling upon lard-ass clods to beat up his opposition. Obama's weakness is his weakness; he's a short pants, egg-sucking, punk-ass Suzy.
Such men are never up to the task of real repression.
Things fall apart...etc. This firefly isn't going back in the jar.
PS:
What we lack at the moment is the media ability to portray our opposition in the concise and frightening imagery of the past.
Obama, for example, is a gutless worm...putting a Hitler moustache on him won't work. He's got all of Nixon's faults and none of Nixon's virtues.
This is a theme. Insecure, vicious, deluded and vulgar with a truth-defacing eloquence. That's Obama. Only bloggers now have the power to go viral with it.
Big media will slip and fall in their own drool trails, and that's what we want.
Rhod, this is the most precise definition of Obama I have seen to date. Great!
This is a theme. Insecure, vicious, deluded and vulgar with a truth-defacing eloquence. That's Obama.
Thanks, Opie. Sometimes I think I'm just too nice a guy.
It seems to me that when Øbama incited this rioting & assault on our liberties (we were all attacked in St. Louis-whether we were there or not) he can & should be held criminally accountable. This turd is starting to show what sort of a thug he really is. I thought the Cambridge incident was bad but this assault along with the .Gov web site trap as well as the snitch on your neighbor plan show an all too familiar pattern akin to neighboring Banana Republic Tyrants with whom he is sympatico .
Where the hell is that birth certificate anyway?
Newsman, the serious questions are piling up, and it looks as if the answer(s) is becoming obvious.
This Republic is in trouble and fighting for its very existence.
We don't have a good guy or a cowboy with a white hat to ride to our rescue. We have to do this ourselves this time.
Opus - good call viz. schools, surely one of the engines driving the hideous mess we're in. I fear the answer is to start afresh - goodness knows there's a market for real education - still.
Turning point? Many seem to think WWI was the catalyst for several strains of evil that had been brewing since the Age of the Raison. For me that's the "tipping point" and the rest is evolution, erosion and trend.
Circumstances to reclaim the individual? If catastrophe (WWI) tipped the scale first time around, then perhaps it will be again. I think Rhod's right - a flash point is probably necessary but things have moved on from Kent State in orders of magnitude, sadly.
"Donk Despot" = genius.
It's not hard to do that, you libtard. Try taking a shower. It will do you wonders.
Pry loose your momma first, anonymous.
Opie, don't sink to his level.
Rhod, feel free to sink to his level. I love it when you venture down into the sawdust.
LSP, we should go have a pint together, with a Ginger Ale for Opie.
WWI turned a lot of things loose that were otherwise frozen in the ice of monarchy and militarism. It seems like a long way from there to here, but the carnage-induced nihilism and fatalism that branched off in all directions is still with us.
The Age of Raison ended, I think, when liberalism finally erased the distinctions between high and low culture and high and low thinking. Radical egalitarian stupidity is now the ultimate slow revolution to oblivion.
Damn, even the USSR attempted to lift the proletariate with music and dance.
When I do that, Nico, the face on the bar room floor is my own.
As for anonymous, he's not a bug in leftism, he's the entire operating system.
Crap in, crap out, crap forever!
Rhod, Ginger Ale sounds refreshing right about now.
Nickie, I'll try to be more tactful when handing out hygiene advice.
I was thinking, if anonymous collected all his witticisms, got it bound and published by the National Endowment for the Arts, it would be on every coffee table in Manhattan and read aloud by every goddam, balding Mailer-lover in town. He could call it "Fyck You"
I'd bring my bongos.
Opie,
You're a classy dame. I just want you to stay above the fray.
Rhod - pint = good.
Shaming to think that the Soviet cannibals can score points on the Donk despotism.
Cheers.
Parson, well said. This nation needs to toughen up.
You think this guy is bad, check out the science advisor.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-science-advisor-called-for-planetary-regime-to-enforce-totalitarian-population-control-measures.html
Jeez, Kid. How the heck do you expect me to sleep at night knowing that. You should post a story on that. I'll happily link to it.
The Ehrlich/Holdren nexus is particularly revolting. If Sanger were around she could join her offspring.
What a gang of satanists.
LSP, you owe an apology to Satanists everywhere.
"Emanuel wants to trim the high price of health care by literally eliminating people who are a drag on the system, like the elderly."
If we substituted just a few words; my what a statement we would have.
If we trimmed the high price of welfare by eliminating people who are a drag on the system, like the folks who vote to have their neighbors foot all their bills...
But that would mean most of the pimps in office would never get voted for to begin with.
TF, welfare recipients are our betters. They are a protected class, many of whom have proven immune to the twin vices of sacrifice and delayed gratification.
Good Idea Nickie. I'll work on it.
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